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mhalachaiFirst off: Tonks love! ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
theregoesyamum has a great character profile up on Tonks: The Deconstruction of a Miss Nymphadora Tonks. In which Gun goes into the character, how Tonks is smart and blunt and fallible and real, and then the writer backs her shit up with evidence. Good times.
Second: You know, if you don't like what I'm doing in my stories, tell me. But give me evidence and specifics, not just "yeah, this licked, you hack." I'm willing to take criticism as much as anyone, but give me a hand and make it constructive, KTHNX.
theregoesyamum has a great character profile up on Tonks: The Deconstruction of a Miss Nymphadora Tonks. In which Gun goes into the character, how Tonks is smart and blunt and fallible and real, and then the writer backs her shit up with evidence. Good times.Second: You know, if you don't like what I'm doing in my stories, tell me. But give me evidence and specifics, not just "yeah, this licked, you hack." I'm willing to take criticism as much as anyone, but give me a hand and make it constructive, KTHNX.
PS No one actually said that my writing licks, or called me a hack. I'm paraphrasing.
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Date: 2006-04-10 12:38 am (UTC)I'm not letting it ge me down; I just want specifics. Like, did I step on their cat or someting? Anyway.
i talk too much
Date: 2006-04-09 10:15 pm (UTC)i think there is a thing about fanfiction that people do not understand. the entire idea of fanfiction is to take a situation which would never, ever happen to the characters in canon and say "What if?" what if harry and anita occupied the same world? what if harry met her? what would happen then?
this, of course, raises many problems when such fiction is posted for other's consumption. first, interpretation of characters are always different. a particular viewpoint or interpretation that i may have of harry, for example, may not be the same as yours. (this is not noticably the case. it is just presented as an example)
there is much criticism of fanfiction, usually for things such as poor grammar and other things that make the story incomprehensable and difficult to read, and then there is the distinction between one person's character interpretation and anothers. it often results in flaming the author, which is a poor thing to do.
what it boils down to is that, as i said above, fanfiction is a particular individual's interpretation of "What if?" events. characterization may not mesh, the story may not go in a direction that the reader enjoys, and bad things might happen that are upsetting to some readers. but... such is life. things don't always happen the way you want them to go.
my point is, i think.... (*scratches head to gather thoughts*) is that there is a painful lack of understanding in the fanfiction community sometimes that it is pointless, unhelpful, and just plain rude to make a comment about a story in a negative way without the possibility of opening the debate for interpretation. it's like being pissed at someone and not telling them why. nothing can be done, nothing can be fixed, and nothing can be explained, so it's a waste of energy on everyone's behalf.
i will say, in regards to the recent chapters in the story, that everything has taken a definite turn for the worst and is, at times, angst central. this can be tiring, hearing people whine all the time, and awful to see the characters you care about hurt. is this a bad thing? no. drama? angst? pain? duh! have you read the books?
i think that the story is going in a wonderful and intriguing direction and that the characters are in a good place. it's not as much fun to watch them be upset and gnash their teeth. watching someone in pain is just not a fun thing. but there should be an arch in a story, a progression in events and their should be stakes and costs. you're doing a beautiful job at providing all of these, as well as the humor and good times that make stories a joy to read.
i love your story, and i think it's a truly masterful concept and interpretation of these characters and these events. now, all i ask is that you continue. soon. like... now. *grins*
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Date: 2006-04-10 05:39 am (UTC)Anyway:
what it boils down to is that, as I said above, fan fiction is a particular individual's interpretation of "What if?" events. characterization may not mesh, the story may not go in a direction that the reader enjoys, and bad things might happen that are upsetting to some readers. but... such is life. things don't always happen the way you want them to go.
And not just in fanfic. Look at the small emo implosion on LJ when JKR put out HBP: R/T, H/G, Hr/R, Squid/Fawkes, all kinds of craziness. Suddenly, all these fanfic ideas that had been generated were shot to hell, ships were sunk, and it was the author of the freaking books ruining everyone's shit. Power to her. But anyway, you're right about the "things happen" section.
my point is, I think.... (*scratches head to gather thoughts*) is that there is a painful lack of understanding in the fan fiction community sometimes that it is pointless, unhelpful, and just plain rude to make a comment about a story in a negative way without the possibility of opening the debate for interpretation. it's like being pissed at someone and not telling them why. nothing can be done, nothing can be fixed, and nothing can be explained, so it's a waste of energy on everyone's behalf.
Exactly! I would love people to tell me that they think I'm wrong, and here's how. If people think my Ron's a caricature, or Luna's OOC, or Nathaniel's being too whiny, sure, say it: We'll talk. But the comment that set me off was completely general and all-encompassing. I had nothing to focus on, and I was all like TF?
I will say, in regards to the recent chapters in the story, that everything has taken a definite turn for the worst
As an aside, after one more angst-laden chapter, things get back to the action. The, um, "crux" of the story.
I love your story, and I think it's a truly masterful concept and interpretation of these characters and these events. now, all I ask is that you continue. soon. like... now. *grins*
I've got about 2,000 words in the chapter so far. How's that?
*hugs* thanks so much for your mini-essay. It's always fun to talk about the overlying burden of fanfic on a sad, bad world.
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Date: 2006-04-10 04:36 pm (UTC)considering that each chapter is about 9k words? well... you're getting there, hehe.
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Date: 2006-04-10 05:07 pm (UTC)Re: i talk too much
Date: 2006-04-10 05:15 pm (UTC)woohoo!! does he bite harry?
sorry, left over tension. ahem. omg, the woe!! THE ANGST!! somewhere, out there, the goddess of discord is snickering at harry and anita. they are, after all, her favorite meals.
yes, yes. must feed her appetite. after, of course, the application du jour.
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Date: 2006-04-13 02:34 am (UTC)The angst is over! At least for now. I need that to all STOP before people start killing me.
Next: Action! Magic! Shiny things! Luna! Not in that order.
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Date: 2006-04-13 03:43 am (UTC)Re: i talk too much
Date: 2006-04-11 12:37 am (UTC)Considering that Nathaniel's channeling Asher right now, it only makes sense. And yes, JC knows all about being blamed by his loved ones for bad shit that happens to his loved ones. :-)
As for the whiners (and I hope I'm not in that number! Please don't do or not do anything on account of anything I've said, unless you judge that I'm not totally full of shit on the subject): When people do crap like that, my inclination is to do more of the things that are causing them to whine. (femmeslash femmeslash femmeslash!)
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Date: 2006-04-09 10:52 pm (UTC)I was amazed and pleased at the discovery of Inevitable. I come from a fandom where quality has plummeted to the abyss, so reading your fic had me squealing in delight. You just hadn't merged both universes, you had done it with grace and quality, and managed to do it respecting both worlds. The characters are IC as far as I can say, the style is fluid, catching, and the very clever plot and its twist keeps the reader panting, clinging to the chair, desperate for more. I'm not a native speaker, as you probably guessed by now, so I cannot comment on your grammar.
Since then, I check every day for updates, or the derivative works produced for your own universe. Through Inevitable I discovered your writing, which is really excellent, and a few little jewels as "Different Eyes", "Twenty One Years", or "Switchback". Thus, I'm surprised that someone could have hinted the proverbial "you suck".
Usually, I'm a very harsh critic, and when I read about someone complaining about critiques or flames, I usually scowl, because in 90% of the cases, the perceived "flame" or critique is in fact CC. In the fandom I come from originally, reviews doesn't equals quality, just hits mere popularity. However, in your case, I can say without a doubt that if you received such a critique, it was undeserved. I am going to say something that have always made me raise my eyebrows when I read other people's comments about critiques, but in this case, it hits the nail in the head: it's a question of jealousy, in this case. And it's 100% true, since a real dose of CC never comes without real advice and true help to improve. It sounds as if you haven't got any in this case.
Your fic is popular because it's good, so good that you've spoiled my taste for other AB/HP crossovers. Inevitable is the standard I use when I read them, and though I don't doubt there are good works out there (the proof are the very good ficlets written by
I don't attempt flattery here, you don't need it. Your work speaks for itself, so don't pay attention, unless they give real advice.
Good luck, may inspiration be with you, and keep the magnificent job.
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Date: 2006-04-10 07:13 pm (UTC)Welcome to my world. It was the strangest thing, even more so than a Buffy/Anita Blake crossover, as they both have such a different take on things. But when I realized that, really, Harry and Anita are the same person, it all came so much easier.
I come from a fandom where quality has plummeted to the abyss, so reading your fic had me squealing in delight.
What fandom is this, if I may ask?
You just hadn't merged both universes, you had done it with grace and quality, and managed to do it respecting both worlds. The characters are IC as far as I can say, the style is fluid, catching, and the very clever plot and its twist keeps the reader panting, clinging to the chair, desperate for more.
Okay, now you're making me blush.
Through Inevitable I discovered your writing, which is really excellent, and a few little jewels as "Different Eyes", "Twenty One Years", or "Switchback".
Switchback will be going into "epic" mode as soon as I finish Inevitable. Frankly, writing Switchback for longer than a few days at a time depresses me. It's not a light story. Anyway. Thanks for your kind words on my stories. I do like to mix things up, try new things and new fandoms.
Usually, I'm a very harsh critic, and when I read about someone complaining about critiques or flames, I usually scowl, because in 90% of the cases, the perceived "flame" or critique is in fact CC.
Hey, if someone sent me CC, I'd be happy. Well, maybe not at first (I tend to pout sometimes) but in the long run, acknowledging and addressing writing issues is the best thing I can do to grow as a writer. But really, if someone has something they want to say about a writing issue, I welcome it.
Thanks so much :)
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Date: 2006-04-12 02:15 am (UTC)Honestly, is still shocking to see it spelled like this, but you're right. They have the same traits of character --well, some of them anyway. So from this perspective, you're right.
Anime / manga based. Rurouni Kenshin. When I just started, it was available only via imports and fan subs, so it wasn't mainstream. The story deals with a good amount of adult themes (a XIX century Japanese ex-assassin in search for atonement and the answer to the meaning of his life is the main character. There is blood, there is gore, angst, etc.)
Unfortunately, now what is left is a bunch of high school plots, very ridiculous pairings (I do write alternate pairings and I enjoy them very much, but like canon pairings, they need a sound development to make sense and be believable.)and the worst kind of romance novels clichés. There is not an original idea even if you look for it with a magnifying glass, and if something remotely interesting pops up, it's faced with indifference or plain hostility by the "establishment". But reading
I will look forward it anxiously. And I understand, I also have a few fics that are emotionally demanding, and drains me too, making me stop and change to something else. Sometimes it's not necessarily the theme of the fic, but things that revolves around the writing itself.
Oh yes, I understood that! You were explicit about this, and I've seen you accepting corrections, so I know you have no problems accepting CC and that's why I expressed my support.
At some point, I think we *all* pout at first when someone picks something that could have been done differently or a plain mistake. It's human nature, something in the vein of 'hey, how come I didn't realize about this or that myself?' more than anything else, a kind of inner frustration. Now, unhelpful critiques are a totally different matter.
Don't mention it, every word is absolutely deserved. :)
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BUT!
That has nothing to do with the quality of the writing. Harry and Anita are going through some changes and with change comes uncertainty. The fact that we are discussing Harry, Anita, Nathanial, Jason, Ron, etc, etc, like they are real people says something about the power of both the cannon authors and Mhalachai's (your) work. Truth be told I really needed chapter 63,with it's wonderful fluffy bits, more on account of where I am personally than anything else, because the heavy chapters were so well written it was piggybacking on my personal angst. The fact that I am still VERY interested in this story after this much time is quite a feat, there are only a few writers on the web who have done that, I think you are one of the best.
If you wonder "Why do I do it?" because of a few nay-sayers (we call them butt-heads around here) please listen to the majority of us who scramble to be the first to post after a new chapter, who sit at their computers at work and at home going "oh my god, oh my god, oh my god" when things get hairy in Inevitable-ville knowing we are getting odd looks from co-workers, parental units, and partners. Relax, we like you, we really like you (and your work)
Heck, take a look at the number or responses you get after you post a chapter..... HELLO.... rabid fan-base here!
If you are just touching base to make sure you are still on track.. fantastic, if you are feeling any doubt about your work, please stop it!...right now.... stop... now...
Write another chapter, post it, then watch how fast the comments pile up, people putting in their 2 cents worth about plot, favorite characters, ships, and so on... (see how I ask for an update sooner rather than later, but make it look like I did it because I care about your well being.... clever that)
Sorry, got carried away there.
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Date: 2006-04-10 07:26 pm (UTC)I am aware I put a bit too much thought into the characters, but I think any writer is slightly detached from reality :) Anyway, they're all well-rounded multi-dimensional characters with issues, which makes it easier to understand motivation and all that.
The fluffy bit... heck, I needed that too. If I had to write angst for another chapter, I might have imploded. The level of angst is actually why I can't write much Switchback these days. It's too much, all the time. Depresses me like no tomorrow.
Heck, take a look at the number or responses you get after you post a chapter..... HELLO.... rabid fan-base here!
I always wanted to give people rabies.
if you are feeling any doubt about your work, please stop it!
Not sure I can do that, and here's why -- I think any artist who's getting constant feedback should always be questioning how their work is being received. There's the fine line of "I'm doing this my way" and "I should do what people want me to". I am aware that I'm still growing as a writer, and if someone wants to take issue with how I'm writing, power to 'em. The day I decide that I don't need to listen to anyone as I am *perfect*, I invite someone to slap me.
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Date: 2006-04-10 10:39 pm (UTC)I can't comment on how much you put into your work, however your characters are rich, so I don't think it's "too much"
And I'm foaming at the mouth right now.. oh wait, that's just my afternoon late'
I was just worried you were in the middle of writing something heavy, then read someones comment that brought you down. Sort of like what happens to Harry and Anita on a daily basis, a throw away comment sends them spiraling down into angst and funk... that's all.
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Date: 2006-04-13 10:02 pm (UTC)I have three stages of grief when it comes to scathing comments:
1. Cry. Think I'm a horrible writer. Consider removing my stories from the internet. This lasts about 5 minutes.
2. Defiance. I don't suck, they suck! I'm amazing and awesome and know best! How dare anyone question me? This lasts longer, sadly, up to a day depending on the criticism.
3. Acceptance. Every comment has a point, and I need to look at those points objectively. All commentary is welcome.
And then I'm fine again :)
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Date: 2006-04-14 02:56 am (UTC)I think you are a great writer, and am enjoying the heck out of this story. I hope I get some time to write myself this long weekend.
Work has been sucking the life out of me.. every night this week I have stayed after to spray guitars... (I teach a guitar building class)
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Date: 2006-04-10 02:58 am (UTC)Anyway I include my original question in case you were inclined to answer it, but otherwise I will just wait patiently until chapter 64 or beyond!
In Chapter 28 you wrote that Anita says to Nathaniel:
"But first, you need to open your marks so we can do this right."
"They are," he said. I paused, my hands on his waist. "They're always open. In case you need me."
Am I crazy? Well, yes, but to think this is important? I was so sure that he was angry that Anita did not even try to feel his marks all that time. But then he was there when Anita was giving her statement and said that she knew she couldn't feel Nathaniel and went in anyway. So I abandoned that theory, but then when I reread this I became intrigued by it again...
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Date: 2006-04-13 10:11 pm (UTC)I actually saw that comment before you deleted it; I rather liked it :D But it's all good. We're all friendly 'round here.
I was so sure that he was angry that Anita did not even try to feel his marks all that time. But then he was there when Anita was giving her statement and said that she knew she couldn't feel Nathaniel and went in anyway. So I abandoned that theory, but then when I reread this I became intrigued by it again...
As chapter 64 showed, Nathaniel was mad at Anita for a) being stupid and saving him and b) for not realizing he was in danger and getting there sooner. Two opposite things, but when he was trapped in that situation, all he could think of was that if Anita came to save him, she'd be killed. What does he want, in that light?
Poor guy.
The marks between Anita and Nathaniel is something I need to expand on a little more before future chapters. Thanks for the reminder :)
And feel free to ramble any time. As proven by my verbosity, you're in good company :)
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Date: 2006-04-14 05:25 pm (UTC)Of course they are two opposite things. That was what was confusing me, because I assumed it would be either/or without thinking about it. But the contradiction is a very human real-life one, if easy to forget while reading a less insightful type of fiction. I forgot who I was dealing with. :) (I love that feeling while reading, when something hits you simultaneously as so true to life/character and yet so totally unexpected. I forget where that happened in the last Harry section right now, but it totally did.)
The marks between Anita and Nathaniel is something I need to expand on a little more before future chapters. Thanks for the reminder :)
NO PROBLEM I am SO looking forward to it!!!
And thanks :) since you don't mind, perhaps I will stop limiting myself to five or six word reviews, but in the future I will at least wait until I have calmed down somewhat before posting. Trust me. You haven't seen the worst of my enthusiasm.
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Date: 2006-04-10 07:47 am (UTC)Though you'll get no complaints from me on your writing. I love it. I don't mind much what you do to the characters since you usually always have them in character so often, it's how you'd think they'd react in that situation. And I never minded a bit of OOC when done right, though I havent seen much of that with you.
I'm in my squeeness faze at the moment. 5 more days until Doctor Who! Ok, well maybe 6 for me since i have to wait a day for someone from across the pond to upload the new eppie. *snerk*
Oh! Did I ever give you the community for the eppies? Do you want it? ^^ *is bouncing* You know, I really shouldn't be this awake. It's close to 4am. Yikes
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Date: 2006-04-13 10:14 pm (UTC)I was thinking today about how much damage Tonks could cause if she was working for the other side. Screw Imperio; a Metamorphagus could go impersonate anyone, in any place. Like polyjuice, but with no time limit. Thankfully she's on the side of good. Or at least on the side of better.
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Date: 2006-04-10 08:59 pm (UTC)Toodles!
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Date: 2006-04-13 10:45 pm (UTC)I am aware that I've been rather too sensitive these last few weeks. My real life is crashing down around my head, which isn't an excuse, only a reason as to why I'm freaking out (rather vocally) on LJ.
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Date: 2006-04-20 08:29 pm (UTC)What's Hiethbar all about? We have strange candy up here in Canada.
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Date: 2006-04-13 05:38 pm (UTC)Ok, she probably is.
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Date: 2006-04-13 04:25 pm (UTC)I can honestly say that I can usually handle stories in any fandom as long as 1.) the writing is good 2.) the author catches my interest.
To sum it all up. Don't let the spammers and "u suk" comments get to you. You're doing a great job in expressing your creativity in both the hp and ab fandoms. *hugs*
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Date: 2006-04-15 06:58 am (UTC)Thanks for the hugs. I am certainly having a great time writing this story. I do love crossovers!